One in Nature

Animal Wisdom

March 06, 2021
One in Nature
Animal Wisdom
Show Notes Transcript

What do animals have to do with becoming a fully authentic, awake and sentient human being?

In this conversation Aimee Brimhall, Nadine Mazzola and Loesje Jacob venture deep into the human capacity to relate with other sentient beings.  Each of the 3 teachers has created a unique evolutionary pathway for mind-, body-and heart connection with the world of animals: 

Aimee Brimhall teaches people to develop inspired and fulfilling friendships with their horses; Nadine Mazzola invites us in her book, "Forest Bathing with your Dog" into shared sensory nature exploration with human's best friend; and Loesje Jacob offers a transformative journey through  joining awareness with other sentient beings. 

Not surprisingly, there are many moments of deep resonance and similarity in this conversation which revolves around remembering how to be authentic, awake and sentient.

Here are some of the topics the circle explores:

  • What can we learn from animals?
  • Do animals even want to relate or communicate with us?
  • Is it possible to learn how to be more intimately connected with the animals in our lives? 
  • How people transform through learning the language of other sentient beings

For more information about the work of our conversation partners please visit their websites:

Aimee Brimhall:

Loesje Jacob:

Nadine Mazzola:

Hosted by Kat Novotna and Pamela Wirth

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Transcript Episode 11  

Animal Wisdom 

[00:00:00] Pamela: Welcome everybody. Thank you so much for joining us at OneinNature today. It's been a long time since you've heard from us, and we're very excited about this episode, Animal Wisdom. My name is Pamela Wirth and I'm here with my co-host Kat Novotna. 

Kat: And hello from me.

Hello from Europe. My name is  Kat Novotna and I'm so excited to welcome three amazing beings, three amazing human beings here in this conversation about animal wisdom. And so what we are talking about today, which we will be talking and sharing about is the deeper communication, the deeper connection that we can have with the beings that we call animals in our human language. And just all the learning and the healing that can happen in these [00:01:00] interactions. If we humans, if we just slow down and kind of broaden our horizon from just our ...the box that we are normally thinking in and talking in with our human language. So if we simply allow the other beings to share their wisdom with us. And if we are able to listen, not only with our ears, but with our full body as well. So our amazing guests here ,  we would just like to introduce them briefly. And then we simply dive into the conversation and  so I imagined us really sitting around fire around the fire circle and sharing stories and going with the flow.

So it feels really good to have all three of you. And of course you Pamela as well. And so welcome [00:02:00] Aimee,  Loesje Jacob. Welcome Loesje here and Nadine Mazzola. Welcome Nadine. So I will pass the word back to Pamela. 

Pamela: Yeah. I'd like to start by introducing you, Aimee So Aimee Brimhall McCord is the founder and creator of inspirational horse.

And I have the good fortune of knowing Amy I've experienced .. I've been auditing one of your. Retreats, which was incredible. Amy's mentoring my daughter. And so I've learned firsthand to witness the transformation that happens when you work with people. And what I see you doing is really creating this whole new world of understanding, like you're opening the possibility for a new level of understanding and connection and language between human and horse and sometimes from the outside that looks like [00:03:00] magic. And you have the ability to bring language to this magic so that most people can understand that. It seems like the horses are already there. But then you're like almost a translator sometimes, I think, so - Welcome. 

Aimee: Oh, thank you so much. That's a beautiful introduction.

You said it so well. Yes, there is an excellent way to describe what I do. And. It's wow. It's been quite the journey ,  over two decades now doing this and in preparing for our time together, just, you know, taking a moment and remembering where all of this started. And, you know, I go back to really 2003, 2004 ,  that I really started changing and shifting where I was coming from with the horses and that, you know, keeps really paving the way for even where I am today. [00:04:00] And I know, and no way am I finished. Whatsoever. Yeah, what I come along, you know, time and time again, thinking, okay, this is all there is, this is as good as it gets. And I'm great with that. And I'll just keep, you know, even repeating this and then the next month or the next six months or the start of a new year and I realized that  this is again the beginning and how can we be at another beginning, you know? 

So it's been absolutely incredible. My really - my interaction with the horses and the humans. I didn't, I didn't actually expect that I would teach. It was-  it's a long time, you know, that I've been doing this, but I didn't set out to teach people.

I thought, you know, horse training was the route and the best way that I could connect and, you know, kind of. Little bit kicking and screaming, going into work with people. But wow, I'm, I'm just amazed at the capacity. People have really ,  and so [00:05:00] proud of the students that I work with and how much of a deep dive they're really willing to do.

And I don't know, I don't know any other I guess place that I see people willing to go so far as they will, for their horse, they will go into past, you know, childhood pain. Well, you know, climb any mountain of difficulty that they see. And it seems like this, this animal, so called, this four legs and a lot of hair and a lot of, you know, nature and a lot of instinct and they will go above and beyond to, to connect with this animal.

And it's just as amazing to me where it'd be so much easier to quit. You know, it's like, really, you want to keep going? And they're like, yes, I do. Even when I hit the biggest roadblock, I still, I can't give up though. My horse needs me, [00:06:00] so it's just, I'm in awe of that. 

Pamela: Oh, thank you. And welcome. It's wonderful to have you here.

And Kat, would you like to introduce Loesje?

Kat: Yeah. So I would love to indeed. I would love to introduce Loesje Jacob so welcome Loesje. And so I learned about your work from your  seminars and your workshops, your trainings in Czech Republic, even though I'm in the Netherlands. And I know your roots are in the Netherlands as well, but I know that I've been watching videos and just interviews with you with, yeah, with real fascination. And just listening to all the stories that you were sharing from your work and Lucia is the founder and facilitator at Linking Awareness, which is by the way, a name that I really love. We are really linking our. Awareness with other beings. [00:07:00] And I also love the tag the, to the tagline that you have when you're on your website.

It actually says by linking awareness, through the heart connection of one sentient being to another, we experience deep communication and healing. So that's something that is really speaking to my heart. And I know that you're working also with horses, but also with elephants and animals that we, again, label in our language as wild animals.

So I'm really looking forward to, to listening to your stories. Loesje welcome. 

Loesje: Yeah. Thanks for having me. And thanks for everybody. That's listening to the podcast and stretching their imaginations to possibilities on all levels. And certainly the word sentient beings is now mandated in some parts of the world.

We no longer can use the word animals. So thanks for recognizing that. And the [00:08:00] awareness is everything that is, and it's consciousness. That's filtering that awareness into smells, tastes, thoughts, feelings, touch, and so forth. So , for me, You know, dog groomer, dog trainer, and everyone starts seeing me as a horse person. How does that work? Because just because I have horses didn't mean I was a horse person, but in the world of domestic sentient beings that are living with us on properties and houses, it was seeing the horses are seriously leading the way in this, a change in perception of the so-called animal kingdom.

But for me, you know, when you start to connect with frequencies, so you can communicate non-verbally with all of your subtle senses, I thought, well, is it even possible that I could be in the ocean and communicate with the dolphin or a puffer fish or a snake or an Orangutan. And so that was part of what ,  catapulted my travel all over the world ,  to see if that was possible.

And also to work with all these different cultures, cultures that create belief systems around sentient beings that we call [00:09:00] animals and how they feel they can be or could be, or should be, or should not be treated in different ways. So ,  you know, you mentioned Czech Republic and FADIMA Noah. I mean, this is a polo club, you guys, and I was just so amazed at the polo players were open to this concept of nonverbal communication. 

The first communication that happens with all of us is light and information that then gets transferred through the eyes and then a sound or voice, and then physical interaction. So now all of a sudden, all of our dog whispers horse whispers animal whispers, we're starting to have to realize that body language pack theory herd theory was not the key.

That body language is the validator. To the nonverbal communication. So we had to start letting go as trainers of reading their body language all the time, because that was almost the last frontier. So I taught the body talk system internationally, all over the world for humans and animals. And that's our message too when something happens to your physical body, it's the last frontier [00:10:00] of information that something's up because maybe you'll finally listen.

Yeah. So we take consciousness based energy medicine into the biofield, the energy field of information. So we can shift it, use preventative medicine before it settles into the physical interaction or expression. Anyways. I don't even know what to say anymore. I've been so blessed all over the world and I'm excited to meet all of you that are on the panel here ,  and see how you're doing what you're doing and, you know, share and come together in the physical and teach each other some stuff.

So thank you so much. 

Kat: Thank you so much,Loesje. Amazing. 

Pamela: And now I'd love to introduce Nadine Mazola and my very special pleasure to introduce you Nadine, Nadine and I worked together closely in the Association of Nature and Forest Therapy. And that's how we know each other, as colleagues and Nadine is the founder of New England Nature and Forest Therapy Consulting.

And you're [00:11:00] also the author of a very beautiful book, a triple award winning book, 'Forest Bathing with your Dog'. And I have to say that every time I open this book, it just happened again yesterday. When I. Was, you know, reading  in preparation for this, it brings tears to my eyes. There's just a heart connection and a beauty in this, in your story that you described there in this discovery of Forest bathing with your dog of, you know, taking a walk in the woods with your dog, way beyond that. 

It's, it's really a love story. That's how I, how it feels to me and a discovery, how to be in nature together. And it's a deeply respectful partnership that you are, that you're speaking from inside of, and sometimes Juliet, your dog is speaking and it's really beautiful.

And  I'm noticing that [00:12:00] the book keeps, you know, it keeps getting out there and people are just hungry for this information. And for this new way of, of being with your dog. And in nature together. So we're just so blessed to have you here today to, to share a little bit about this journey or a lot of bit!

So welcome Nadine! 

Nadine: Thank you, Pamela. And thank you, Kat. And I'm just honored to be here with everybody and the rest of the panel. Yeah, it was, I trained to become a certified forest therapy guide in 2015 and was a dog owner  at that time.  I don't like the word dog owner, but in this moment I can't think of a better term.

And I wanted to bring these two things together that I love and really through just spending time out in the forest and [00:13:00] observing, and being, and allowing and listening and slowing down. There emerged this organic combination of this practice of forest therapy and, and being out with my dog and just learning so many things from, from her and deepening in our communication ,  of just that, those, the unspoken words that others hear, we're speaking to kind of on this energetic level and was just so surprised at how in tune, she was with me and really opened doors for me to realize. 

And then also just becoming a forest therapy guide and spending time outside and deepening into my own practice of nature connection I think it's awakened this realization that many of these other ways of being, ways of knowing ways of [00:14:00] speaking, ways of communicating are, are in us. They've always been there and they're really just waiting to be reawakened. Like we already know this language and we just need some helpers and reminders to, to start speaking and listening and this way again.

Pamela: Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you. And ,  so welcome again to, to the whole panel. Thanks for being with us. And we're going to start by just asking different prompts, different questions and inviting you each to respond. Sort of like, as Kat was saying, we're sitting around a fire, even though, you know, we're together through technology. Imagine the fire in the center of us as a light. 

Kat: Yes. So thank you again. And I just wanted to say, I have your book Nadine here, in the same room where I am now. And I totally echo with what [00:15:00] Pamela was saying about the tears in my eyes when I opened it. And also just ,  because I know you as well and I know  the authenticity that it just comes through when I opened the book.

So it's, it's, it's another thing that is really ,  heart opening and heart connecting in the book. Thank you for being here. So indeed let's, let's just dive into some questions that we prepared. Please feel free to, yeah, just let your hearts and minds flow about the topic or off topic, whatever comes, like in a real fire circle.

So the first question that we have is. Simply, what can we learn from animals? What can we, human beings learn from animal beings?

So maybe we can start with Loesje. 

Loesje: I think the biggest message they have is living in the now being present in the [00:16:00] moment and not in the past, in the future and being in the now. And also that concept of whatever happens in the moment, the next moment it's over. So when you have the elephant at the watering hole with the young one, and then lion takes the young one and it's part of the lion's food.

And then the next day, the mother lion, the mother elephant and the lion are drinking water together. Yeah. So how can we learn to be in that moment and not keep resourcing back and that's it on an intellectual level. And if we start talking about what's caught in the fascial system of the body, that's a whole different story.

Some of the stuff that we've been doing is going into the deep jungles and listening to the nature mind. So the insects it's, don't forget the insect kingdom because without them, we wouldn't be here. The insects and the trees and the wild animals connecting to a different level of consciousness.

So more humanitarian interdimensional, [00:17:00] intergalactic. Yeah. And some people say that, you know, if the human was a center of the universe and the next concentric ring could be the so-called animal kingdom sentient beings. And then the mineral kingdom, the sentient beings that people are calling animals have been watching humans forever.

So if we want to know about ourselves, why don't we ask the animals? And then when we connect with the mineral kingdom, they've been recording everything on this planet we call Earth forever. So to know about ourselves, we could ask them. And, you know, I'm not going to go on a deep dive on the mirror, neurons and why our animals, our horses, our dogs, our cats are mirroring us as if they are us. 

They know about us. It's like, there is no dog. There is no elephant. There is no Bee.  It's I am. So that's the depth of the, I am the oneness, the awareness that is in everything. And it reflects itself back to all the time. And fortunately animal,  so-called animal kingdom is not  attached to how they language.

They don't care if it looks good, it doesn't look good if they poo or they pee, or they do whatever. They're [00:18:00] just in that moment. So, you know, that's one little blurb for you. 

Kat: Okay. That's that's a lot already though. Some very deep lessons in that. Thank you, Lucia, Amy?

Aimee: Yes. How long do we have again? Oh, this is, yeah, we could talk about this stuff a long time. I think what resonates for me right away. When you ask a question like that ,  from what I've learned from the horses, they have ,  an incredible ability to almost, I would call it almost an x-ray vision. I'll even tell people it's they know so much about what's going on on the inside.

And one of the things in my transition from working with the horses and helping people and trying to, you know, Bridge gaps of, you know, just language barriers where we just weren't understanding each other. And people were, you know, using force and using threatening measures to come across to the animals.

I started to [00:19:00] realize that the horse was actually paying attention to things that we were not paying attention to. So when we were speaking about the body being, you know, kind of the last thing that happens ,  What I started to recognize was that these horses and I'm going back to the 2004 or five ,  realm that these horses were actually picking up on what these people were thinking, what their inner dialogue was saying and what their energy was doing.

And at the time it wasn't anything that I could really, I guess, feel comfortable that I could talk about, because people weren't really bringing that side forward. It was more that the horse was just resisting or it didn't like what you were doing, or maybe you just set it up wrong. Or they just had an attitude that day.

But it, it wasn't on any level of depth. So,  I started to explore with people when something wouldn't go right. Asking them what, what are you doing? What did you just think about? And of course, people feel awkward doing that. And I thank those early students because I probably put them on the spot a lot.

[00:20:00] But they were so willing to go into it with me and actually describe things like, well, I didn't think he'd go in the trailer anyway. And I went, Oh really? Because I wouldn't in my own self I'm saying I wouldn't have approached it that way. I would have approached it with that, you know, of course we're going in the trailer.

Why wouldn't we, we have their stuff. There's no attachment to it. But at the same time, there's a, a sense of, of course we will. And I didn't realize people were doing those things. And as I started to talk to them about it,  I realized that actually we. And myself at the time, I had no language to help people.

I didn't know how to communicate that, but I realized there was a huge missing piece in the language and the understanding and the belief and where we were coming from. And so that got me going. Big time, because all of a sudden I realized I hadn't been on the horse side. I had been actually [00:21:00] doubling up on the human side.

And in some sense, blaming the animal for its lack of understanding when it was actually trying to say something absolutely incredible.

Kat: Thank you so much, Aimee. And yeah,that really speakers to me about indeed finding the language even to communicate that to the human world. Right. So that's another thing, like how do we word this when the feeling is obviously that the human language is limiting when it's not ,  yeah. Not able to express this and yet we do our best and yeah.

Yeah. That's amazing. Thank you. And Nadine, 

Nadine: I'm just like resonating with everything that's been shared so far. And ,  one of the things I wrote down and thinking about this question is authenticity. I feel like I, when I really connect,  with, I mean, speaking mostly of my dog ,  I just feel like I am my most authentic self when [00:22:00] I am in that kind of a heart space and connecting in that way and come to a place of ,  integrity or really wanting to hold that space of like, integrity in the relationship.

And then also yes, to presence and just the now and patience, patience comes out this, this learning, they teach us how to be patient,  when we slow down enough to listen. 

And yeah, I have not, I think my experience in this is really just awakening, but this awareness that they,  you know, like something may happen inside my body that, you know, they can even sense or smell or, you know, vibrationally or, or ,  energetically and  yeah, I know, I know that  they are just sensing me on that level. So, but authenticity is the biggest thing for me, I think. 

Pamela: Yeah. Thank you for [00:23:00] that. Yeah. In a way you each have already spoken to our next question, which has to do whether animals really want, actually want to relate and communicate with humans.

And I think each in your own way, you've spoken to that. And so I, I'm wondering from your experience, how do we know, how can we normal, not normal, but uneducated humans, who, who have not yet developed this really high sense of connection with animals as the three of you have, how can we know that animals want to communicate and to relate with us? What are, what are some of the ways that we could just sense that, or feel that

Loesje: so. If you're not yet aware of all of your, what we call subtle senses. So ,  probably for most people, the strongest one they might notice is [00:24:00] they're feeling how they feel in their body. Yeah. Subtle sense of feeling. And so we have a normal feeling or touch when we touch things, but then we have how we feel.

And so when I'm facilitating, I'm trying to get people in the advanced levels to recognize the difference between when does that sentient being send you information because they would like to communicate kind of like a cell phone call. 

And when are you putting your awareness and your intent in your observation on that other and the information that you feel is because it's in their holographic biofield so how do we discern when the animal called ... can I just say sentient beings because yeah.

Thank you. When that sentence being, and it doesn't matter if it's human, insect and animal, plant, a tree is interested in having a conversation, it will send information and they'll kind of turn into a feeling. But if I look at that cat and the cat's [00:25:00] not sending, but I can still get this feeling that all of a sudden I'm picking up information.

But that sentient being has not sent it to me. So at the advanced levels, we're trying to discern the differentiation between reading the biofield, the energy field, the hologram, or when that sentient being is sending it. And I think for most of us, when it first starts happening, we'll notice it in our feeling body.

It's like, who, who did that? And then this like staring at you. So those are a couple of little thoughts for you. Yeah. Thank 

Pamela: you. Amy, what would you say? 

Aimee: Yeah, it's a really good question. And I, I get that from  people of all levels and of all experiences and history with horses. Whether it's someone who's super new to horses or  I've had it with advanced people that have had horses for years and years and years.

And they, you know, they're like, what is my horse even getting out of this interaction? Like, should we even bother. [00:26:00] Doing this and it, at the time, I really appreciated the question actually, because it showed me that people were starting to think about what was happening and not just assume I bought the horse, I bought the saddle, I'm going to do something and the horse is enjoying this.

Of course they are. So it really, I enjoyed that very much. However, the person of course was wasn't necessarily enjoying the question. They were more like, what is this all about? Should I, should I invest this time? What I think is fascinating about the horses and how they will show their interest in you and how they will show that they have other things in mind, you know, are they, do you guys have, you know, you'd have a sense of a friend and you, you both look at each other at the same moment in time and your eyes meet.

And you smile and it's as if you had the same thought. I see that with the horses where they will look at someone and both people somehow have this synchronized meeting in time, and they'll both look at each other or they'll both [00:27:00] stop together. Or one will initiate and the other one will actually, even it isn't always in direct harmony, but there is a, a synchronized moment that's happening.

And I think we have an innate ability to feel those synchronized moments in time and whether or not you have words for it, or you've ever even felt it before you have something deep in you that says that was a moment that we connected. And what I'm learning is unfortunately with the horses, we've had a lot of stereotypes about what connection is and when it is, and isn't happening and a horse that, you know, the showing different body languages and people have labeled that good connection, bad connection, or happy horse mad horse.

And I'm finding there's a lot of beliefs around that that actually were framed. And at a time when we were interacting with the horses very differently than we are now, So it's been kind of some dust busting honestly [00:28:00] to go through that and help clear up these assumptions and really look at this in a new light.

And, you know, but I, I find that, that, it's, it's a, it's a question I think is still going to come up. I know I'm not done talking about that. And I think it's something that's very powerful to listen to,  with the horses is how, how, what is this interaction all about? You know, what are we doing?

What a cool place to come from, you know, I love it.

Pamela: Yeah. Thank you, Aimee. And Nadine, I'd like to pass the question to you, 

Nadine: you know, in thinking about this question, I kind of come to this place that like that, beings, sentient beings, and actually taking it even like, life, is kind of social. Like there's this interaction and some of it is like, yeah, let's hang out and some of it, it may just the awareness of each [00:29:00] other. 

But so I think there's, yeah, like we're all, all the time wanting to kind of be aware and notice and and communicate in some way. And then I think on, on different energy levels, just thinking of hanging out with my, my dog Juliet, that it's, you know, there's this like real companionship, this thing, this energetic level that we both get out of it.

That feels very good. As opposed to maybe some creatures or sentient beings that I may encounter in the wild of just I know I'm having real appreciation when I get the gift of, of noticing or being in the same area as something, but that there's just this awareness and it feels like this comradery of being alive in the same space is the way I might word it in this moment.

Pamela: Yeah. Thank you. 

Kat: Thank you. That's, it's just fascinating to [00:30:00] listen to your perspectives that are slightly different, but it all comes to this harmony, right? That's all we're talking about. This deeper sense, this feeling that we have when we communicate with sentient beings. And we, I'm coming from the background of forest therapy and we sometimes call this the heartfelt sense of the present moment.

And I just love what you said, Amy about the synchronized movement, yeah. Just coming together in this movement with those beings. And it's amazing.

I'm just wondering another thing that we talk about in this context of connecting with  the more than human world. If you like, it's the remembering the, the, that it's not necessarily a learning for us, that it's really in us.

It's also what you all said that it's in us, it's in our bones, it's in our DNA. It's our [00:31:00] primary language, primary language that we were talking. And that's why we probably feel this heartfelt sense of the present moment. Then this authenticity that we are like Nadine, you said, that, you are the most authentic self when you are connecting with your dog in this way. I feel that in the forest too, when I'm connecting to trees, I'm like the real me, the me on the same level as the tree, which is the real level. And so this brings me this question of remembering, brings me to our next question.

If it is actually possible for us to learn, to have a more intimate relationship with a sentient being with an animal or is it just a remembering that has to happen and we simply need to expose ourselves and spend time together on slow down. So I'm just wondering [00:32:00] about your perspectives. Let me see, maybe if we keep the same circle.


Loesje: Yeah. I was already writing down and pre-cogging your question. I get, I guess, because this remembering is an unlearning and yeah, it is possible. And this language we're trying to talk about this nonverbal language of light and information is transferred all the time. But over generations in our ancestral memory, in our cellular memory and other aspects, we've created belief systems that block our subtle senses.

So we just talk about the six subtle senses alone, you know, the inner sight, the inner smell, the inner taste, the inner hearing, the inner vision and then the touch, and then the feeling. So some people would very easily get images from that sentient being and in their imagination, but they might not hear anything.

And so what happens is in my training, [00:33:00] we're individuating these subtle senses to start to release or unlearn or remove the limiting belief systems, ideas, attitudes that are blocking this ability that we were innately born with as a child, but over generations are different. Things that have shut that down, you know, and we've got to go deep dive into non-included DNA.

We can go into other deep dives over their lifetimes. So, so now, here we are, in this time of remembering. And then I think that the dolphin sends me information, but is it truly the information with the dolphin or have I filtered it with my beliefs and turned it into a projection of what I think. So in the classes that we're teaching through Linking Awareness, it's that exploration.

And then how can we use guided journeys to remove the limiting belief systems, ideas, attitudes that stand in the way of the clarity of the oneness information that comes through that so-called animal, insect, plant, tree. So there's [00:34:00] a really deep dive on a personal level to see. And it's kind of like what, you know, Aimee was talking about why people are willing to dive deep when they connect with the animal kingdom, because the animals have no judgment.

They're just present to be in that moment. So, I know because I'm fully subtle-sense aware now, but when this started for me and throughout my dog training and dog grooming business, I started to get information, just I could hear a voice and I might see something that was it, but all my other subtle senses were shut down.

And I got told by an instructor way back when in 1999, I think it's not possible. If you can hear the animal's voice, that's it. You're lucky. So I'm a little Dutch and a little stubborn. So I set out to find out if that was true. And so through all of the courses and trainings that I took, that I teach that I work on myself daily, I'm at the point where my aware, my conscious awareness gets filtered through all of the subtle senses. Now, [00:35:00] So I think I'm living proof that it is possible, but I do have to say it and I'm sure all of us are going to agree, it's not a three-day class, a five day class, it's a daily practice and it's a daily remembering and remembering to go back into that space.

And we're in a time where I think the journey to the heart has been sped up and it is possible to get into heart-brain and live in that space, but it is still a journey. Yeah. So I don't know. There's just a few thoughts. It's a, it's a big conversation for sure. Yeah. Thanks a lot. 

Kat: Thank you so much Loesje, Aimee.

Aimee: Yeah, I wish we had more time now. Oh, an hour. No, I absolutely agree with you. My perspective… when I look back on it and I was like, wow. I actually was pretty much told early on as an instructor, that very few people would go to a high level. That most people would stay at a very low level of horsemanship.

And that would be who I taught and [00:36:00] which, you know, of course I was young and I said, okay, that's good. 

And as I started to advance myself and interact actually on a very unconscious level with these energies and these thoughtful awarenesses and the messages that I was hearing, I started to realize that I was interacting very differently with the horses and I would try to help someone and I would step in and really tune into what that horse was saying and make these outward changes very quickly. And then look back at the person whose eyeballs were bulging out of their head. They go, how did you just do that? And I would look back and I would go didn't you see what I just did? Couldn't you feel what I just felt?

And of course they couldn't. And, you know, at the time I was like, oh my goodness. It was shocking to me actually. And so I, I kind of went very inside and trying to figure out, how is this working for me and why am I not, why am I not seeing it in the students? 

And so I kind of just set form with this, you know, opinion, if you [00:37:00] will believe that I think we all have it. I think we can all do this. I refuse to agree with, I just have this special power that no one else has. And so I went, okay guys, how are we going to do this? And so it really led me to start studying what I was doing on a super high level and nitpicking everything and breaking it down and asking myself thousands of questions.

And then using what my friends are giving me these amazing horse professors that are saying all this amazing you know, interaction qualities that I can go, okay. Now I need to take that back to the people and say, okay guys, let's look at this, let's try these concepts. Let's work with this information because you all have the ability in your own unique way.

And I don't want to be your instructor. I want to be your team. The other part of your team really. So we can do this together and really, you know, bring forward what your unique qualities are. [00:38:00] And so that's been just absolutely amazing to me and to work as a three triangle with the horse, the student and myself, and you know, share this learning process as the horse guides us to find these special, magical qualities that we all have, but we just don't realize we have them. So it's an activation process, I guess I would see it. 

Kat: Yeah. Amazing. Thank you, Aimee. Nadine ...  

Nadine: I think when we come at this from a organic place of, of like just being on this journey and starting to listen to our animals, our sentient being companions in our lives and in the world around us , that they, that there is this [00:39:00] slow, unfolding and learning that happens real in a really beautiful way.

And that … I mean, can it be learned? The beings around us are just waiting for us to slow down and listen and learning from other humans that are helping us along the way, I think that's, that is, can absolutely happen. 

And I'm curious about hearing Amy's story of like, you know, people are kind of coming to take a class and so there's maybe a speeding up and they really need Amy as, as this kind of interface and weaving of things together  to help people ,  that  would take much longer, that has taken Amy years and years to unfold. And that she's now kind of bringing people together. So it's so possible to have this [00:40:00] intimate connection. And it's just a matter of slowing down and listening, I think, and letting it happen and continuing to listen because it takes time.

Kat: Thank you Nadine, yes.  And we are, again, we are coming to the relationship, right? All the healing is happening in the intimacy and the intimate relationship among all beings, basically. Loesje, did you want to add anything? 

Loesje: Yeah. I wanted to make a comment on when Amy was talking about maybe it's an activation, this is exactly what's happening.

And you know, all my certificates are all about activation received and observed because when the let's call it facilitator, whether it's a girl, a master, whoever it is that has done their inner work, and they're holding this vibration. Frequency. When we talk about quantum science, when the student shows up, there's the resonance factor that happens.

[00:41:00] And those subtle senses that are open and functioning in that facilitator actually activate the other. So then there's the activation that happens when they're in it, you know, it's, it's happening now at a distance there's remote activation. And then the ones that want to go into their so-called mastery, it's about showing up with the body.

So to embody the activation. So then we show up and we go to Amy or Nadine and we hang out and we start interacting together in the physical, and this activation goes to a deeper level. And then. Then after that, it's the self-practice that comes in when you move away from those moments, then it's the discipline within self to continue working with what you've been given, gifted, activated, or learned with your facilitator.

So I just wanted to, you know, validate and remember these are activations because the dormancy in our system to remember, we learn whatever you want to [00:42:00] call it. It's there. It's in our non-encoded DNA. And we have never had a time where so much of our non-encoded DNA is being activated and part of the non-encoded DNA's in charge of our subtle senses.

So I just wanted to bring a little bit of light, more light to what Nadine is saying, what Aimee is saying. And, like, yeah, 

Pamela: … really appreciating that a lot Loesje, I've been sitting here listening to all of you and I feel that happening inside of me, it's actually really hard to sit still because I feel all kinds of feelings in my body.

I'm wondering if the listeners might be experiencing something similar where the part of me, that's still a little girl who felt like, Oh, I, I know what that animal is feeling or experiencing and saying, and I just knew it in my body. And then the older person was like, I lost that language, you know? And I, so I feel those parts and parts that I don't [00:43:00] even know really stirring right now.

So I appreciate that. It's going to be interesting to be with after this conversation. And  we have actually. We could obviously go on for a very long time. There's so much rich material here to, to dive deeper into, but we only have a couple minutes left and we wanted to invite each of you to share maybe a, a very simple kind of practice that people could do. Even if they're, you know, we might be going in and out of lockdown still. So if you have something for us, that would be wonderful.

Loesje: Just want to clarify, do in relation to what?

Pamela: to experience what we have been talking about to experience, [00:44:00] you know, this intimacy, this connection with a sentient being.

Loesje: So there's a concept that this connection is just a breath away. And so, because we've been programmed to be in the mind and the head and the brain and intellectual, we forgot about the Lower Dantien. We forgot about the heart brain and the enteric brain, the gut-brain. And so, and a lot of us, when we go to start something, we breathe in.

But if we could remember to breathe out first, that breathing out is the letting go, the letting go of resistances. It's the letting go of whatever I'm thinking before. And so, as I do that, I could imagine I'm bopping around in my brain and I take that moment, notice that bopping around and breathe out, drop it deep into the earth, Gaia, to her heart, where she transmutes it. [00:45:00] 

And then when I breathe in, I actually bring in the connection. I'm breathing in life; I'm breathing in that light and information; and the breath is the representation. So then if we go into using energy cords and stuff like that, we could say, I'm breathing out, letting go.

I am sending a rainbow cord to the heart-brain of the other, and now I'm breathing in the information through my system. And now it starts to get translated through the different subtle senses, into feelings, thoughts, images, and smells, and tastes and so on. So there's just a simple kind of breath thing.

We have a guided journey, that's a 48 minutes long that we start with Linking Awareness Journey. But at the end of it, it's just a breath away. 

Pamela: Hmm, thank you for that. That is beautiful.

Aimee: I love it. I think we're going to have some synchronicity here cause I [00:46:00] was going to describe something very similar that I've found ,  that really people keep coming to me, have been coming to me and going, how can I be light or how can I be light or I want to be lighter with my horse. And what I found is none of them were actually working on their quietest most de-stressed most breath-out to the connection-to-the-earth place.

So. Instead of starting where you just might happen to be at any given moment and being kind of undisciplined there and unaware, what if we're starting from exactly the place that was just described a place of calm, a place of centered. A place of breath out. And what I found with the horses is they respond amazing to that center place.

And no matter what you then go and do in the next few moments after that, if you always revisit that at the end of whatever you do often, I mean, [00:47:00] really often, I'm not saying do it once in the beginning and then just go canter around and ride and do this. I'm talking it might be every five, six, seven,10 seconds.

That you're revisiting that place and then you're coming into a movement and then you're going back there. You'll find that your lightness starts to come to where you actually have an awareness of your origin there. And I have seen so much softness come out of that and so much more listening. So I'm, I'm right there with it.

It's like, if you want to be lighter, find your lightest place in you and then offer that to the horse.

Pamela: Thank you, Aimee. That's beautiful.  Nadine..

Nadine: Oh, I just resonate with what's been shared, I think in the way of forest bathing and the way of forest therapy, you know, we start with our sensory connection of  the touch and taste and smell and sight. [00:48:00] And that first comes to us and like our dogs, our forest bathing gurus, they are in their senses.

All sentient beings are forest are gurus in this way. And have so much to teach us. And so the practice, in watching your dog and just being with your dog in this sensory way while out in nature, letting them inspire you to smell and touch and experience, you just come together in this moment. That I feel like ties into that coming to that kind of centered place, or coming to that present moment. 

So the practice is just to wander and be in your senses, leave your, your thinking mind behind. And I think that's kind of the first for me anyway, the first gateway into some, to other more expansive things.

[00:49:00] Pamela: Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I 

Kat: just have, as I hear you talking a story, just came to me and it's just, again, it's coming all together. It's resonating deeply. It's just  when we were forest bathing, I just remember one moment where I was with the group and we were already at that soft, gentle point when you are in the heart, and when you are connecting with the nature around you, and then we were sharing in a circle. And there was a dog that came from somewhere in the forest that the dog simply came next to us and was in the circle. It wanted to be part of the circle and didn't want to go away and was licking my hand.

And when we saw the person, the companion of that dog, she was just shocked. Watching what was happening because she said, well, this dog was abused. It was in a cage or something for a [00:50:00] month. And it does not trust any human beings. So this, what I see happening here is. That just blows my mind.

And to me it was the, it was just some affirmation, just, just seeing how it works, because all these people standing in the circle were in this calm space in this HeartSpace. And of course the dog was feeling it and felt comfortable. It felt safe and wanted to be part of that circle. So that's just the story that came to me right now. 

Pamela: What a beautiful story. Amazing. And to conclude our conversation it's just perfect. 

Kat: Thank you so much. All I'm just deeply touched. Yeah, I'm looking forward to be listening to our episode myself, because this is just, just amazing what you're sharing and how we share this place, how we all feel it and try to find the words to express it [00:51:00] and love how it really comes through. 

Pamela: Yeah. So thank you all so very much. This was really wonderful. And so I think we're going to say goodbye for now. 

Loesje: Thank you guys. I am so excited to be in person with you guys. Somehow. I know it'll happen. Amy Dean, Kat, Pamela, and anyone who's listening, but I really, wow.

I'm so glad we met. Thank you, immunity. Awesome. It's great 

Nadine: to have this conversation. I wish we had a lot longer

Aimee: too. I wish we had much more time. Thank you all. Love and learning. 


Kat: Oh my gosh. That was just amazing. The flow and just the understanding the heart's pace in the group. Yeah. 

Pamela: Oh, I feel so. I can't even find a word for, I feel so deeply moved and, and. Activated and calm at the [00:52:00] same time and yes. 

Kat: Yeah, it is big. Yeah.

Pamela: wow. What an incredible conversation. And there's so much more, we actually had quite a list of questions that we wanted to ask our guests. And we got to less than half of it in, it feels like we didn't even scratch the surface.  

Kat: I feel I'm in this heart space where I need to shake, shake my heads to even find some words to, to express. So it's resonating deeply what we just heard with our guests or sharing.

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